Lyndon H. LaRouche LHLDiscussion Back to previous selection / Retour à la sélection précédente The Manhattan Project: Town Hall Q&A with Lyndon LaRouche, October 3, 2015 3 October 2015 After this past week’s actions by BRICS leaders at the UNGA, especially Putin, we are in an entirely different world than last week. Putin has performed a crucial action, which was not a Russian action. He acted for the benefit of all mankind. To Obama’s detriment the situation has changed drastically and he can be thrown out along with Wall St. TRANSCRIPT DENNIS SPEED: My name is Dennis Speed. On behalf of the LaRouche Political Action Committee I want to welcome everybody here, today. Today concludes the last 14 heads of state speaking at the United Nations. I think everybody here certainly knows we’ve been involved in a full week of intervention, there. And there were some decisive changes in the world that occurred and those changes are not yet conclusive. I want to go directly to Lyn and ask him if he has an opening statement for us, an evaluation of where we stand, and then that will be followed immediately by our questions. So, Lyn. LAROUCHE: Yes, I just have one thing to say because it’s important to put this on the agenda so that the entire body here can get some sense of what has to be done in terms of practice. We have now just completed this program, which was intended for this event in Manhattan, but now we come to a new era which has already started. President Putin has actually instituted an action, which is a rather complicated one, relative to previous kinds of experience, in which he’s acted to destroy a force of evil which is responsible for much of the problems which mankind, especially in Europe, in particular, or areas near Europe, at this time, and therefore we will find that the things have changed from what the standards we would have had a week ago. Because we’ve entered a new period of civilization in this form. And therefore in what I shall do in responding, as the questions come up, I shall bring into effect different kinds of responses, not essentially different but different in the sense of the way I approach matters now. Because what’s happened is the entire existence of mankind, living in all parts of society has changed. It changed this week, in the course of the end of this week, and therefore we have to keep our minds open to reflect on what the new condition is, which has just been established and introduced, today. Q: Hi, Mr. LaRouche, it’s H__ from Bronx, New York. I just want to talk a little bit about the events of this week. We had a major rally on Monday on 42nd Street. I think we got a tremendous amount of attention. I’m paraphrasing some of these things, but we had a big banner: "Obama, Help Peace, Resign!" We were getting people who were enthusiastic about Obama resigning. We had some supporters of Putin’s shift, on fighting ISIS. So, I think we were getting a very big response in changing the atmosphere. And then also on Thursday, myself and my wife, who’s a Spanish speaker, we intervened at an event where the President of Paraguay was speaking at NYU, which was a little bit difficult for me because even though it was NYU, everybody was speaking Spanish in the event. I know a little bit of Spanish, but I tried to do the best that I could. Anyway, we got a question to the President of Paraguay, Paraguay down between Brazil and Argentina. His name is Horacio Cartes. He was speaking about various things, , about the development of Paraguay, about getting some students to go to NYU and other of these wonderful schools we have up here. We had a question on a piece of paper that we didn’t know if it would go through, but it went through to the moderator who is a former Foreign Minister of Mexico, Mr. Casteñeda, and the question was: "What do you, the President of Paraguay, think Paraguay can do with the help of the BRICS bank, to increase the investment in the infrastructure in Paraguay?" And we immediately created a stir in the room, of restlessness, because this was obviously not on the program of the people at NYU, thinking about how the BRICS bank was going to change Paraguay or the world. The President said, well he thought this was interesting; and then he went through let’s see, what are the BRICS, Brazil, Russia; and then someone told him about China. And then he remembered that Paraguay, like certain countries in Central America, doesn’t even have relations with mainland China right now; they still have relations with only Taiwan. So, Paraguay really does not have any relations or commercial relations with China at all even, though he was interested in the role of the BRICS. Obviously, Brazil is right next door. So he did refer this question to his foreign minister and after the presentation, me and my wife got the EIR magazine about the reforms of Franklin Roosevelt to the foreign minister, who also was familiar with your work, Mr. LaRouche. So, I don’t really have question but I see that we are beginning to get the message that things have changed in the world to some people, who are very slowly waking up. I don’t know if we can make them wake up a little faster, but that’s what we’re doing. LAROUCHE: Okay, well, I can say something on this subject, which is probably useful for what you just said. The point is that what happened is that suddenly Obama was being dumped from the Presidency of the United States. Now, the fait accompli has not arrived, but the situation of Obama is now new and crucial. If he were to remain as president that would be a tragedy for all mankind. He would actually be a threat to most of mankind in every part of the planet. So, this actually is the issue that’s hot right now. Obama must be thrown out of office, along with Wall Street. Now, Wall Street is totally bankrupt. It has no ability to function anymore. It’s part of the walking dead, is the best way to describe what this thing means so therefore what happened with Putin, Putin acted, not in a sense of an ordinary way we would interpret it. Putin actually moved, to destroy evil. And he’s done a fairly good job in the initial progress of what he’s done, but this is not a war run by Putin because of some grievance that he has. What he’s done, what he’s doing, is supporting, the bringing together of nations of both the European region, below Europe, across in Africa and so forth, its attempt to clean up Satan, get rid of Satan. And the view is that I can tell you if you want to argue that, Obama is a child of Satan. And that’s what the problem is, and therefore lots of people around this planet now, have recognized this fact, and they are acting not to slaughter somebody, but in order to destroy Satan, i.e., in this case, Obama and his friends. Q: Hello, Mr. LaRouche, I am S__ from New York area and my question is last week the president of Argentina called President Obama a traitor. And I would like to know what is the strategic importance of that statement? And I also have a question after that. LAROUCHE: Well, Obama is actually a kind of Satan, explicitly. The point is, how are we going to deal with this guy, bring him under control and prevent him from becoming successfully Satanic. In other words, we’re trying to change the way the world has worked, for some recent times, and this is trying to create a new option for mankind. This means defending mankind, getting rid of real evil, things that have been destroying... For example, we have in Europe a very large number of people coming into Europe, who are fugitives from Obama and Obama’s associates. That’s the problem. So what Putin is doing, he’s undertaken the responsibility of getting Obama out of the picture. This is not an attack on Obama, it’s getting rid of him. Because the man is actually evil, has been evil from the first time he moved. Also his stepfather was the guy who taught him how to be evil. And he came into the United States as an evil person from the first time he walked in there. He was already a servant of Satan in effect. That’s the way people would say it and that’s what he represents. He was a destructive, purely defective, correctable kind of force, and the time has come to get rid of him. Put him out of office. And the purpose of this process which Putin is playing a key role in momentarily at this time, is to get rid of the kind of warfare and destruction, which mankind has suffered too long. This is to clean up the mess, not to win a war. Q: [follow up] Thank you. My second question is, is once we win this fight, what will be the EIR’s role from that point going forward? LAROUCHE: Well, the point is first of all, we have to make a lot of changes. We have to make changes in the idea of money. We have to take note of the fact that there is no provision, now, to prevent the citizens of the United States, — the generality of the citizens of the United States, are on the verge of death; that is, they’re coming into a condition where they, beyond anything that the United States has recently experienced in terms of default. And the question is, to save and defend the people of the United States from things like Wall Street. And we have to protect the United States from Wall Street, because Wall Street is now an overtly evil force. And we have to think about, what are we going to do on the day that we run out of money to support our people who are unemployed? Things like that. These issues are the key issues, not the war as such. The idea is, Obama is a problem. We’ve had problems with the Bushes, who are also problem cases. Obama is the worst case at this time. So therefore we have to clean up the mess: Make the world safe, for human beings. Q: [strong accent] Hello, Mr. LaRouche. I would just like to tell you a big thanks for defending Russian people and Mr. Putin, and defending the truth to this world; and tell people that Russia is peaceful country and she wants to have peace in this world. And I’m so upset when Washington make Putin look like evil man, which is not truth. It doesn’t matter that he used to work for KGB but he’s still very nice person. Not every KGB man is bad man: He tries try to defend Russian people in this world, and not only Russians, the whole world. Thank you, very much. LAROUCHE: OK! Well, actually, Putin has done a great job for all humanity, right now. His actions which were taken, — now his invasion, in a qualified sense, against the friends of Obama, is done as a humanitarian gesture, to assist persecuted nations to be freed from this kind of evil. Q: [follow-up] To be honest, when Obama just started, he started to make a big change — and he kept his promise! He’s made big, huge changes in this world! [laughter] It’s only one change, when he promised to make it, he made it. It’s done by him. The whole world’s different now. LAROUCHE: His only promise is to do evil. Q: [follow-up] Yeah, that’s what I’m saying, but he kept his promises! LAROUCHE: The point is, look at the case of the United States population. The world people of the United States, for example, most of them are not working any more. They don’t have access to incomes, at all. We have Wall Street is there, which claims that it is financial, but Wall Street is totally bankrupt, and has been bankrupt for some time: It should be eliminated! So therefore, we have problems like that, we have to deal, with the problem inside the United States. Our people, the ordinary people in the United States, their lives are in danger right now, if Obama’s program were to continue, in which you have to deal with that; and there are other things like that. Now, what Putin is doing, Putin has done a crucial action, which is not just a Russian interest, it’s a human interest. It belongs, China, India, other nations, they all require getting a condition of freedom, for mankind in general, and to remove abuses which have corrupted mankind. Mankind is not an earthling, mankind is a representative of the Galactic System and other higher systems beyond mankind, just like the Mars colonization idea. Mankind’s destiny lies beyond Earth. Q: Hello Mr. LaRouche, my name’s L__ from the Bronx. And the curtain has risen for all these other actors running for President, except O’Malley, so I know what gives. And the other has to do with the issue, a lot of these so-called anti-abortionists say they’re anti-abortionists but they go along with these war policies, destroy a lot of women who want to have children and plan parenthood, so that’s the other thing. LAROUCHE: Well, let me make the thing stronger on your argument; build up a little more pressure on your part. The point is, is that mankind is what mankind is: mankind is a creative force, but the key thing about mankind, and people talk about death of human beings, as one aspect of this matter. But the question is, what’s the implication of the death of a human being? Well, that lies in what happened to the human being before they died. What was the effect of the person, who had not yet died, who has a contribution, to the future of mankind? For example, you have an evil fellow called Bertrand Russell; he’s now long since dead, although the smell of him is still around in various places. But the point is that mankind has the responsibility, of going to much higher levels than mankind on Earth. We are now beginning to experience, evidence of the way that the future of mankind will play a key role which had not been before, in terms of places like Mars and other locations. This system is part of the system that mankind is going to manage, and therefore what we want to have, is we want to have people who are creative, who can be what we call "geniuses" now today, and that these people should be the people who inspire, the population in general, by their own marks, their own achievements, like all great things, creative things are done. And every person should be a part of a process, of mankind’s progress to higher levels of achievement in the Solar System and beyond. And therefore, we live, what? We live to make it possible, that the next generations will have a greater power, to do good for all mankind, than had been the case before. It’s the development of mankind as a pioneering achievement source, that makes mankind’s life meaningful. Mankind is not a monkey; it shouldn’t be. And that’s the way it is. Mankind has an implicit purpose, of mankind’s ability to acquire wisdom, and to apply that wisdom, to give mankind a power which reaches beyond Earth and beyond the Moon. Q: [follow-up] Thank you. There’s one thing about O’Malley. I was taught years ago, when I was in the Navy, that if you have bad wound, and you’re bleeding to death and the only thing that could save you is a tourniquet, so you look for a tourniquet. And I was asked, "do you look for a clean tourniquet?" I says, "I look for the closest tourniquet I can find, because if there’s none and you worry about infection later, so it doesn’t matter that a person like O’Malley who likes to implement a policy, let’s say, of Glass-Steagall, that’s very important; because all these other candidates are just trying to convince you that they don’t have a wig like Donald Trump; or they talk about not allowing these immigrants to come. But we displaced a lot of people through these war efforts, so this is another thing. So I think O’Malley has a point: We know that he can’t be perfect, but at least he’s taking a step in the right direction. And a lot of those candidates don’t address anything like that. LAROUCHE: Well, about O’Malley, that’s true. That’s true. We don’t know how perfect he is, we know he’s on the horizon now, he’s one of the people you would want to have, as opposed to recently. And he probably will make a good contribution if he’s allowed to do that. That’s true, and that’s a positive factor; but we need some other factors just as well. More factors. Q: [follow-up] Happy birthday, on your 93rd. Q: Hi Lyn, it’s A__ again. We’ve been talking on Thursday’s call, I brought up, after you had mentioned how we were in a process that things were going to be coming together and even crashing. What I’m wondering about is being, perhaps not distracted, but finding myself drawn in, because even from the call, now we see the shooting in Oregon, you know another mass killing. And people are concerned about this, and it’s valid. And then you have in Afghanistan, a bombing. And it’s very simple, yet dangerous to start making assessments and discussing these things. Keeping this lifeline and dialogue with you is very important. Even in New York City now, just because there’s a storm that is pending, people are panicking, those that are living in those vulnerable areas, where of course, nothing’s been done. So, as an organization, I think we can be pulled apart, in trying to think clearly and stay on the ball. So, these self-assessments I think can be dangerous and side-tracking; how must we think or proceed, to remain with what we must stay focussed on? LAROUCHE: Let’s take the most recent case of a shooter, a gun-shooter; what’s that represent? This is not some guy who "did" something; yes, he did do something, but what caused these kinds of actions recently? Well, it wasn’t caused by one person; it wasn’t caused by a person as such. Not in a pattern like that, no. The gun-shooting, a lot of the recent things, are part of the Obama administration, they’re a product of this process. Now Obama is not the creator of this, but he certainly is a foster of it. And therefore, the problem is, we’ve got to get some degree of control over the process, because we have a lot of people, in terms of people, who are eligible to be murderers. The increase of the murderer population is accelerating, and it’s not happening accidentally. It’s happening, it may be induced by somebody who doesn’t know what he’s being induced to do. But this is a new pattern; it’s a threat to humanity. And you have to remember, that what Obama represents, is the reduction of the human population. And therefore what you’re seeing is an effective which is the reduction of the human population. That’s what you’re looking at. And this is a process which has a systemic characteristic to it. This is not just one guy, shooting some people up. When this pattern is repeated in the same way, again and again and again, as it’s been doing recently, — we’ve had these patterns before, but this is the most serious one, the most serious period. And the problem lies inside, I think you could say, not that Obama did these killings, or what his behavior did was contribute to that kind of phenomenon. And we have a society, look, we have a society which no longer has morals, in general; not real morals. Look at people who don’t have income; look at the number of people who are being deprived of income; look at the number of people who are being deprived of everything that’s important to them, demoralizing our citizens, especially younger people. And this is the pattern, it’s a pattern of evil. And it comes from a characteristic that our government, especially the Bush and the Obama administration, are exemplary of forces of evil! That’s what they’ve done. And I know a lot of the detail of both of these administrations, and however witting they are, or non-witting they are, their actions, their outlook, is one of evil, it has been. And that’s what you have to worry about. We have to take the actions to requalify our own citizens, to ensure that the population as such, becomes more productive, and less destructive. Q: My name is D__A__, good afternoon, Mr. LaRouche. My question is simple: We bomb ISIS, or Putin bombs ISIS and he kills a number of people that are in ISIS. Yet they seem to be able to recruit more! How come? LAROUCHE: This is an old story, relatively speaking, and this is a deliberate process of evil. And what you have, is an entire nations have been engaged in this kind of program. And what we’re trying to do, and what Putin is trying to do, exactly, if you look at what’s behind Putin’s model, it’s not an ordinary warfare event. This is something to stop evil! And we have the forces involved are evil. And we’re not trying to kill people as competitors, what we’re trying to do, as a nation, we’re trying to remove the ability of some powerful agencies to commit mass murder and destruction, against humanity. We’re trying to get a safe state for humanity. That’s what explicitly, what the mission is, of Putin! That’s the only reason for that thing. Q: [follow-up] God bless Putin! LAROUCHE: Putin’s doing a good job; he has to be praised for it. Q: Hi Lyn, it’s Chris Sare from Manhattan, via New Jersey. I’ve been thinking about, with this bold action that Putin took, on behalf of humanity and you see a result here in the United States as well; you mentioned the other night that there was some good people in Congress; there’s some real rats, but there’s some good people, and Tulsi Gabbard, for example, the day that the action against ISIS began, was on CNN, basically going after Obama by name. She’s a Democrat, and she was going after Obama; she’s a military person. And it seems to me, I’m wondering, what does Putin’s actions there, unleash in the United States in terms of increased potential, for example to bring in Glass-Steagall right now. What kind of freedom does this create inside the Congress potentially? And what should we do in the Manhattan Project to increase that potential and seize it immediately? LAROUCHE: Well, the answer to the first question is, how do you get Glass-Steagall into place? Because Glass-Steagall was the policy of Franklin Roosevelt in his term, and that worked. Since that time, even beginning in Franklin Roosevelt’s own term, he was deprived, by the Republican Party, of the position and authority he had had in his initial administration. He died under the pressures induced by that. He was, of course, an ill man, but the pressures he came under were of that nature. And there were forces inside the United States which were damned evil, just plain evil. There were many people inside the United States who had been fighting against these kinds of evil, like people who were leaders in the United States during the period of the Franklin Roosevelt Administration, and some of the people afterward, who were actually good leaders, but they were often stifled in terms of their ability to express, and deliver the merchandise that mankind needed. Now we’re in a point where the Bush household, Bush family, in all versions of the Bush family, and Obama, are manifestly, professional evil. And Wall Street is the other part of evil. So you take Wall Street, destroy Wall Street; because now remember, Wall Street is dead now. Wall Street is not a live organization. It’s a rotting organization that’s already dead, that has no life left in it. But some people are trying to support Wall Street in trying to give it backing. That’s why you have so many people who are losing jobs. So many people have lost the ability to produce, have been degraded, have been cheated, have been driven to death, even by the kind of treatment, health care, and so forth they got. So, therefore, the issue is in that form. We have to situate the fact of the mission that mankind has for mankind. And we have to say that things that go in the other direction have to be fought, and have to be eliminated. And the world is looking, most of the world, the population of the world, is looking for this freedom from the evil which is typified by people like Obama, and the British Monarchy, and so forth. Q: Hi, Mr. LaRouche, this is E__ from the Bronx. I would like to ask you, what do you think about the gun violence that’s going on in our country today, the mass shootings? There have been 45 shootings since the beginning of this year. I believe that Congress should pass a law to do away with guns entirely for the American people, to abolish them. It should be illegal to have a gun, and it should be illegal to make them, to manufacture them, any longer. All those shop owners and so on, that acquired their weapons legally to ward off crime, they would simply be required to turn them in to the government, and the government would do away with them. I believe that’s the only way to solve this issue, not to make it harder to obtain a gun, but to abolish them entirely. The American people have no need for handguns, for guns; because the purpose of a gun is only to shoot someone else, and that’s all. I’m not against the Second Amendment. The Second Amendment requires the right to bear arms when you need to, but I believe the arms should be of lesser dangers, like swords, knives, hammers, whatever. But any device that shoots bullets, or any device like an explosive device, like a hand grenade or hand gun, that should be outlawed, that should be banned. I would like to know your thoughts on that? LAROUCHE: Don’t blame the guns. The guns didn’t do it. The people did it. And you know, a gun and weapons have significance in history. And they also involve defense of populations against people who use weapons for that purpose. I know that the idea that this shooting business, as I said, this shooting business is something that has been stirred up, these killers, and they probably are run now, largely by Obama. So if you want to get rid of guns, or use of guns for murdering people, you should have removed Obama from office. Because he is the typical person of the type that produces killings. The average hunter does not kill people. In fact, if we catch somebody killing people, we may kill them, or put them under permanent custody. This most recent kind of thing is very suspicious. It does not fit the characteristic of what it might be described as. And with Obama running loose, no, as President Obama running loose? Or Dick Cheney running loose earlier, that’s your weapon that can kill Americans, and destroy their lives, and has done much to destroy mankind’s life. We have to have a system of government which anticipates the problems that arise within the government, within the population. We have to have a system of government that protects human beings from all kinds of things. Poisoning, corruption of all kinds, abuses of all kinds. What you need to have is an orderly thing. And I think what we’ve come into right now, I think, probably, if you think about it, I think that what Putin has done, which was done on the behalf of a number of nations, including European nations, and China, and India. So we have major nations which are devoted to the defense of mankind in general, and to the progress of mankind in general. What we have to do is we have to make sure we are doing something, with the instrument of government to assure society that we are going to operate on the basis of reason. But the problem is that the culture we have, the kind of popular culture and related culture that we have, in the United States and other nations, is itself an expression of evil. Not because they intend to do evil, but because they don’t know any better. Q: Good afternoon, Mr. LaRouche, my name is R__ from Brooklyn. I’m going to make a slight statement, as fast as I can, I’ll take a little time, very little, I hope... LAROUCHE: OK! go ahead! Q: [follow-up] Concerning my personal status, just to give you a little background. My background is in navigational sciences; for many years I was in the U.S. Merchant Marine. I’m accredited with the State of New York University System in professional credits and scientific credits. I’m also accredited in certified management in inter-modalization. You obviously know that being in navigational sciences in our training, we had to do nautical astronomy, and we had to do a system whereby we learned the movement of celestial bodies. This is so you can do your equations, and do other things. Now you have a lot of math, tons of math, however, I agree with your statement, "math is not science," math is a tool used in science. Concepts are where the science is at, like Copernicus, etc. We used to have to learn what was called back then, "celestial mechanics," in other words, how the bodies move, before we make our observations, so that we can properly determine how to do our calculations. Now, in today’s school systems, what they are doing is they’re teaching people how to navigate using only the equations in the math, without being able to understand the movement of the celestial bodies, of which they’re observing. That’s the attitude of today’s education system. Therefore, not knowing the concepts, they’re getting a lot of things wrong. I would like to know your opinion on this. Do you think I’ve got it right? LAROUCHE: Not quite. It has merit, but it’s not quite the right answer. The point is that what we rely upon, is not mathematics. Mathematics is not a reliable instrument for guiding mankind. But what has happened, now, of course with Bertrand Russell’s appearance in the 20th century, scientific education became a farce; not in every sense nor every characteristic, but in general principle. And, therefore, we had the use of mathematics was defective because it was not competently defined, in the way it should have been defined. For example, Bertrand Russell is evil, but we have other people who were geniuses, but they didn’t depend upon mathematics. They used mathematics, but they used mathematics; they didn’t let mathematics use them. That’s the difference. Q: Hello Mr. LaRouche, it’s a pleasure talking to you. My name is L__, I am from Italy, although I’ve been living here a few years. And my question for you is to ask your consideration about the situation in Europe, especially in terms of how the diplomacy is developing the clash between Russia and the United States, and the NATO, and the appearance of it developing as a sort of new cold war. So I just wrote down a couple of things that will lead me to my question for you, and basically, the situation is that the tide of consensus in Europe, but also worldwide, at least from the point of view of common people, is constantly growing in favor of Putin and Russia. And some signs of reversion from sheer acceptance of U.S. orders in terms of diplomacy and financial organization of our nations, seems to take place among some politicians; I’m thinking, most importantly about Hungary and Viktor Orban, for example, who unfortunately, I think may, unfortunately, I think many may be able to experience a color revolution coming his way soon. We hope not, but that’s a risk, and maybe you can give me some considerations on that, too. But my question for you is do you see any room for an effective change of policies on the part of European governments in terms of joining that popular tide in favor of Russia, and thus start building a strategy that can liberate us as Europeans from this, I would define it as servitude, that has been established after the end of the Second World War, and even more strongly after the fall of the Berlin Wall? LAROUCHE: I would say the real point today, is that the future of mankind, as opposed to what has been the immediate earlier period, is that what Putin was prompted to do, and I emphasize prompted to do, because Putin did not act on his own, in terms of what he did. He acted on the basis of a relationship within the European system, and within India, Indian society, in China, and so forth. So this was joint effort in which Putin performed a function corresponding to the perceived interests, of a whole part of the whole area of habitation. Now the corruption of Spain, Italy, and so forth, was a product of the failure to solve this problem. Mostly was done by the British. The British Empire was really the vehicle of orchestration, to ruin Europe and to reduce other parts of the world. It was a colonial system; it was an evil system, a Satanic system, essentially, at root. And so this was the problem. Now what’s happened is that Europe has come to realize—more and more parts of Europe or people within Europe—have come to realize that that was all wrong. And they’re looking for solutions in order to reconstruct the economy, the functional economy, and social conditions of life which are necessary, which are, for example, the education of our people. The educational system in most parts of the world is deteriorated greatly, as in Europe generally. So that what’s happened here, is the process here is that Putin has become an instrument of his own self; of what he’s made himself his own instrument on behalf of civilization, for Russia, and for other people, as well. And so, most recently, what he’s done, he went in there to save citizens in that area, and also to get rid of some of the pestilences which were mass murdering, so as to bring a peaceful order. And Putin has worked closely with China, worked closely with India, worked closely with people of the BRICS nations as well, and so these are forces that had to be brought together, in concert, to a concert of agreement in order to get a decent kind of new peace for mankind. Now peace is not submission. Peace is the ability to be actively efficient in bringing mankind to reach the opportunities, to success of mankind’s development. And this is true of every part of the world; you know it from the standpoint of Italy, and the fact that the conflicts which existed inside Italy’s culture, where certain parts were one thing and certain were another. The time has come that we’ve got to bring a resolution among all nations if we can, into coming to an understanding of what the nation is, what the function of the nation is, and to understand that the different nations require the ability to access that function. We need a revolution in thinking. And the time has come, I think, we may get it. I think we may succeed. I know the opportunity for success is there, and of course, I will do what I can about that myself. But I say, don’t be pessimistic about this thing. I think great opportunities are being given to us—opportunities we’ve missed for a very long time. Get rid of Wall Street, for example. That’s one of the good things we’re going to do. Q: Lyn, how are you? This is J __ in the Manhattan Project, and I just wanted you to elaborate this afternoon how you think we should intensify the work we reaped over the presence of President Putin, and Modi and Xi Jinping here at the United Nations General Assembly, especially in light of what Helga has done to spread this resonance throughout the globe with her recent travels into China. Maybe you could fill some of us here a little bit in on the significance of all this. LAROUCHE: Well, since I’m very closely associated with Helga, my wife, I can supply some information on that! What Helga has done, in particular, and this is a process which various people were involved in—it’s sort of a cooperative effort. China’s a very significant part of what she does. Russia is also an influence; Germany, of course, other nations in Europe, and so forth. We have a lot of friends, in that respect. And I think what we’ve got—what Putin has done in breaking this block, which separated, divided the dimensions of Europe, divided them from each other in conflict, and I think what’s happened, is Putin is actually fighting some warfare; but he’s not bombing the citizens of any area, as such. He’s defending that nation that was attacked by the evil forces. So I’m very confident about this process. I think that what Putin has done, as an instrument, an instrument of many interests which share in this and can bring around, the option of peace, and bring it around, soon. Q: Mr. LaRouche, this is R__, from Bergen County, New Jersey. It seems that people in powerful positions in the United States have been flagrantly violating the principle, as I understand it, of national sovereignty. I think you’re somewhat of an expert on this. When I read statements in the mainstream press, for example, where somebody like Obama, or Kerry has said it in the past, that "Assad must go"; according to who, must Assad go? What right does anybody have to say that the leader of a sovereign nation, even if you don’t like him, who is not threatening you in any conceivable way, we have decided he has to go. So that always irritates me. So I see that as a flagrant violation of national sovereignty. It seems that Kerry has broken away somewhat from Obama because, quite frankly, just this morning in the Wall Street Journal, I read a transcript of Obama’s recent statements regarding Putin’s activity, and quite frankly, the guy is completely out of his mind. [LaRouche laughs] This is not a sane, rational person who is speaking. Just read the transcript of how he behaves. I mean, it’s embarrassing. So my question to you is, do feel that Kerry has broken away from Obama, and there’s something going on with a back channel regarding Kerry and Putin? LAROUCHE: No, what I think has happened, is we have a corrupt interpretation, of what has been two particular Presidencies, one the Bush Presidency in that form, and more importantly, Obama. Obama personally was, and is an evil man. You cannot describe him competently, except by saying he is intrinsically an evil man. All of his actions correspond to that. Now what has happened is that the thing got so bad, and so much damage was done to the population, there was a revolt which focused on Obama. Obama was the most hated thing going into the United Nations Organization discussions. And what happened, he was rejected by most of the members at that conference. That’s simple. Now the problem is we have to deal with the fact that there are evil forces, people of evil inclinations; and there’s no doubt, Obama was characteristically, as raised by his stepfather, was an evil, Satanic man, and is still that—that’s his characteristic. Just think of the number of people, arbitrarily on his own say-so assassinated people, young people, other people. He’s an assassin; he’s a murderer! Why? Because his stepfather, who trained him, was a murderer. It was a scandal all over the area at that time. So the point is what has happened is, suddenly the reaction of sane nations, or honest nations, has been, "get these guys out". Get rid of this kind of stuff. It’s a threat to humanity. Shut it down. And one of the things that has to be shut down quickly is Obama, because, for example, if we don’t get Obama out, now, if he’s still working for economic system, that system, we will not survive. The condition of our people in the United States now, the average person in the United States now, all kinds, are victims of Wall Street. Wall Street is itself now dead, that is there is no positive value left in Wall Street—none. It should have been shut down. It must be shut down, because we have to go back to go back to an honest system. We have to go back to a Franklin Roosevelt type of system. That was typical of the best terms of the United States. That would solve the problem. But we really have to understand how bad this thing is. And getting Obama out—now Obama’s now very vulnerable. He’s an evil man; he’s a killer. Remember he’s a killer. He’s not an honest citizen. He’s not an honest ruler. He’s a killer; he’s a madman, just like his stepfather, who trained him in the arts of evil. So this is what the situation is, and we have to move as quickly as possible and follow the road that Putin has done. Putin was not doing something as his own little operation. Putin was judging the situation, and saying how can we bring the nations of Europe, back into a peaceful order and productive order? And that’s what happened. The German leaders played a key role in working with Putin on this thing. Some people in France, some leaders in France; a part of the British, one of the British Isles’ population, same thing. They’re not all in agreement; they’re not all nice. But, mankind has said, "this evil must end," the evil which Obama happens to exemplify. And that, I think, we can achieve. Q: Good afternoon, my name is L__. I’m from Jacksonville, Florida. How are you doing? The depopulation growth is one of my main concerns. This vaccine thing they have, I heard that they put mercury in to stop population growth. I believe it’s true. I have a son, he’s autistic, and come to find out that a lot of kids are becoming autistic because of the vaccines. And I also found out that a lot of people are getting cancer, kids and adults as well, because of the chemicals in the food, the beverages, and the vaccines. I want to know how, or what can we do to prevent them, prevent people from taking these vaccines? LAROUCHE: Yes, yes, it’s a very important issue, and obviously this is a part of a social program; it’s not a problem of individuals as such, it’s a social problem. That’s what’s happened is, there’s been an idea of reducing the population. For example, let’s take employment as a case, just adult employment. What do think the chances are that people are going to be able to make a living, a gainful living, in the United States? The rate at which the population of the United States, is being destroyed, is accelerating, rapidly. Wall Street is a key factor in that, but Wall Street has no intrinsic value whatsoever. Wall Street is bankrupt, totally bankrupt. There’s no way that Wall Street could continue to live; it’s a disease not a process. And so, we have these kinds of situation. And the point is, the government of the United States does not have the kind of government, which we set forth in the United States under Franklin Roosevelt. We don’t have that kind of justice anymore. We lost much of it, when Franklin Roosevelt, lost his leading position, when he lost the secondary election; and then he died. And after that point, there were forces in the United States which destroyed the ability of delivery the honest kind of treatment that Franklin Roosevelt had represented, and his immediate supporters. So the issue is, this has to be a mass effort. There has to be a change in policy, which eliminates those kind of factors, which cause the destruction of so many of our young people right now. SPEED: I’m going to take the opportunity; I was going to wait until the end, but one of the journalists that came to our press conference, he’s still at the United Nations now, because many things are going on, but he was very struck by your discussion and our discussion about depopulation. He’s been covering a conference that’s going on at the UN now, which is called "Ensuring the Inclusion of the Right To Education in Emergencies." This conference is about war zones, children in war zones and what happens. So with respect to Syria, what got reported is that 5,000 schools have been destroyed in Syria; you’ve got 3 million people as refugees; and as a whole, there are 30 million children worldwide, now, in either war zones, or post-war zones. And the conference was discussing radicalization, but our friend, the journalist said, "No this is depopulation, and these are wars of depopulation." He mainly just wanted to report this, and he just said that he was particularly struck by the way that we were describing both the climate change and global warming, and Obama’s war policy, as depopulation policies. So I thought I would stick that in here, given what your comments have been. LAROUCHE: Well it is, it’s depopulation; it’s exactly that. it’s accelerated depopulation. And it’s worse than that: it’s the degeneration, of the culture and minds of citizens. Q: Good afternoon Mr. LaRouche, I’m I__M__, how are you today? LAROUCHE: I’m alive! I plan to stay that way for a while. Q: OK, well, that’s good. Wonderful. I want to report to you that many of the English-speaking Caribbean islands that have been once colonial, British, they have been getting help from the Chinese, in terms of projects. Like Grenada got money and they’re doing partnership. I want to know if you have any suggestions I can take back to some of my friends about the continuation of the partnership with the Chinese? LAROUCHE: I would say that my wife, Helga, is not only an expert in this matter, but she’s an international expert in the matter. And she’s an active member in dealing with friends in China, leadership in China and other locations. So, I know what she’s doing is in that direction, and therefore what we have is we have a whole bunch of people who are working around what she’s doing; she’s here right now. She’ll be going on somewhere else; she’s an international figure and she’s very closely allied to China and to other places, as well as in Europe and so forth. So this is the practical question, and my wife Helga is doing an excellent job, in rather a leading position in trying to promote this kind of progress. Q: [follow-up] One other question: I must say the Caribbean has been peaceful for a very long time, other than the hurricanes. The Caribbean has been peaceful in terms of wars, we have not had a war since the French and... LAROUCHE: I think we’re on the verge, we’re entering of existence of humanity, in which the spread of enforced peace, rational peace, is in process, of being presented. And we’ve seen what Europe went through recently, in its problems; they don’t want this any more. There are other parts of the world, we don’t want this any more, we don’t want this kind of problem any more. And that’s one part of it. But Helga’s particular operation is emphasizing, on what the positive measures are which will cause that kind of problem, to disappear. Q: Good afternoon, thank you for taking my question. My name is M__B__. I was watching something on RT [news broadcaster] about — it was a sort of Noam Chomsky type character from Slovenia, whose last name was Cizak [ph] I believe; and when he was watching the speeches in the UN, in particular Poroshenko, and Obama, and Putin, he got this flashback from his Russian childhood days of Russian TV of a Bugs Bunny type character they had in Russia, saying "What’s going on here? What’s this about?" Because everyone’s talking rationally, but they’re throwing barbs at each other. But what he did say, one troubling thought that came to him, was that he sees this happening more and more in the world. Like Ukraine will become yet another place in the world where there will be a soft peace without any kind of unified state power structure, and it will just go on like Lebanon. Lebanon, of course, after the civil war, never became an effective state any more, but they did manage to succeed economically. And he sees this is happening all the time now, in other parts of the world. So, it would be just an endless cycle of some shooting, then an armistice, but nothing really serious, but it’ll be — it’s the strategic tension in action, that whole neo-con ideal. So what thoughts do you have on this, and can you add anything to that that we should be thinking about? LAROUCHE: Right now, the danger is — take the U.S. population as such. The U.S. population is now threatened by accelerating rates of death; it’s not necessary, but what’s happening is, you have more and more of the population of the so-called employed people, unemployed people, who are losing everything they had in terms of assets to economy, again and again and again. So now, if the United States were to go into a depression, a classical type of U.S. depression, now, the death rate inside the United States would be enormous. The only way that we could solve that problem, as an emergency, because we are not able, under the present financial system, we’re not able to maintain a healthy population, and a productive population at all. People are being dumped, like rubbish, in effect, in the job loss and the conditions of deteriorating production and employment. So we’re now at a point where it’s extremely important, that we take action to say, we put in a Franklin Roosevelt action, of the type that Franklin Roosevelt applied to the Depression in the 1930s. Without that kind of action, and without also dumping and closing down all Wall Street institutions, there’s no chance of defending humanity safely. That’s what the problem is. In other words, shut down Wall Street! First thing. Wall Street is dead. It cannot possibly develop anything positive. It’s hyperinflationary, it has no productive characteristics any more; so therefore, we have to remove it. If it won’t remove itself, we’ll have to remove it. But on the other hand, we don’t have a mechanism now, to provide an employment program of the type which would allow us, to reconstruct some of the productivity of our people who are being raped, essentially, being starved of every right they have. It’s an emergency situation: If we went to a Franklin Roosevelt approach, of the 1930s, and said we’re going to suppress this and we’re going to back this, and we’re going to provide provision, to get the population organization to rise back to authority; what Franklin Roosevelt did from the time he became President, until the time he died. Franklin Roosevelt had created a great movement of progress for mankind, in the case of the United States, but also what the United States did internationally. And what we have to do is say, without that kind of thing, that Franklin Roosevelt contributed, to a nation’s economy which was not working, Franklin Roosevelt’s approach is the correct one, and with that approach we can improve the education. for example, what my experience is; you know, I’m not the youngest man by any means, on this planet, but I went through all these experiences as a young person, and we developed in the course of my experience, we increased the productive powers of labor, of the members of the United States’ population. We improved that! We made great improvements in terms of technology, under wartime conditions and even prewar conditions. We can do that again! But we must get Wall Street shut down! Because if Wall Street were to go any further in a collapse, there would be no support, for the categories of citizens of the United States, who have no protection, economic protection. They’ll be on the street, they’ll be dead; starved. So it’s important that we get rid of Wall Street. Shut it down because it’s worthless. But as long as Wall Street and the members of Congress who support Wall Street, as long as they’re doing what they’re doing, most of the people of the United States are threatened by a very serious destruction of their life rights. And so therefore, we’ve come to the time that getting rid of Obama, throwing him out, and following the trail which Putin and which Germany, is doing, in particularly, and China, and India, follow that route, make sure we do it. And we can survive. But we’ve come to a time, where we’re on a short leash! We don’t have a long leash for dealing with this thing; we’ve got to do it, quick. And I think that you’ll find that the UN conference, which was just in process here, that thing is going to be a natural supporter of the kind of reform, among nations, among whole groups of nations — maybe not all nations, but whole groups of nations, is going to do something to change the way the world has functioned, in the short term up to now. Q: Hi Lyn, this is Daniel [burke], I’m still wearing my Russia flag pin. I can happily report that we continue to do a lot of fun work with our friends here who are associated with Russia. I think it’s worth reporting from this that the friends of ours who have been in Russia recently, friends of ours who have been associated with the Russian community, which have already been reflected today in the questions, they’re really quite joyful about what’s happening; they’re quite happy. And the report is, that even within Russia, as you might expect, the young people in particular are really quite optimistic and proud to be Russians, proud to participate in something larger than themselves. So it occurs to me that this action to throw out the evil, which Putin has taken on, it has a quality that it inspires people. And to consider that that’s paired in the past week with Xi Jinping’s work and your wife Helga’s work, all at the same time, — one of the expressions of this that we’ve seen is that [LaRouche PAC Policy Committee member] Bill Roberts attended a speech by the President of Ireland earlier this week, who gave a speech about how the old paradigm is dead, and we must have a new paradigm. And he said this within the context of a relationship to what China is doing right now. So what this leads me to ask myself is, it puts me in a frame of mind where I’m imagining what the country is going to be like when Obama is actually restrained, constrained, thrown out, flushed, whatever is necessary, because seeing the light within people’s eyes who are proud of what their nations are doing, it makes me think of how excited and inspired, how changed the American population will be here. So I just wanted to see what your thoughts were? LAROUCHE: I’m waiting for Obama to be thrown out of the Presidency. I think the time is come for that, and we have to do it. this is complicated in the sense that you have two questions: One, we’ve got to get rid of Obama. If you don’t get rid of Obama, if he retains power and does not go into a collapse phase, which is he should, that’s one problem. The other problem is, we have to actually deal with the fact, that the United States because of Wall Street today, the United States is not presently capable, of maintaining the population of the United States. Because the conditions of life associated with Wall Street, have so much destroyed the very root of the ability to maintain production, means that a collapse of Wall Street, which we’re on the edge of the collapse of Wall Street, a gigantic collapse of Wall Street — a super-gigantic collapse of Wall Street; and what we have to do, is we have to immediately put in a Franklin Roosevelt type of action, inside the United States in particular; that kind of action, which would provide for money, credit, to the people who will not, like in the 1930s, will not be able to maintain their own life; families will not be able to maintain their own lifestyle. They wouldn’t have it. the United States’ government, like the Franklin Roosevelt government will have to intervene to give protection to citizens who have been thrown on the dump heap, and let them work their way and build up, rapidly, in a accelerating rates, to come back to a decent, productive life. We saw this process, from Franklin Roosevelt’s entry into the Presidency until the time of his leadership, in going into world peace against Hitler and so forth. And we need that kind of organization! What happens is, Wall Street, and also the members of Congress do not have a competent conception of that kind of thing! We’re in a period where the financial system of the United States is rotten and bankrupt! We need a Franklin Roosevelt approach, in which we will support on credit, credit of the United States, we will support that credit, in order to enable the population to build themselves back up to recover what they had lost, and beyond that. We’d have lost World War II if Franklin Roosevelt had not built up the U.S. economy. SPEED: I think those are the last of our questions and you already began to touch on what I was going to ask you for our conclusion. Because it’s this: We seem to have accomplished as a result of the process you started last June, late June, a rejection of Obama internationally: you defined how the United Nations process was doing and what happened was, we took a force in Manhattan; sure we had people nationally, but it was focused here; and we deployed as I believe you wished us to do, — I could have you give us an evaluation of how you think we did on that — but we’ve got a rejection of Obama internationally. Now we need a rejection of Obama nationally. And what I want you to tell us, is, how you want this crew, and our expanding forces who are also out here, how do we deploy here, now, using your idea about shutting down Wall Street and your idea about the Hamiltonian Presidency: What do we do here, to advance that process? LAROUCHE: We have to get Obama under control. That means, even before we throw him out formally, we’ve got to bring him under restraint. If we do that, and we can put Wall Street under constraint, and we can get some members of the Congress, who are worse than idiots, and get them also discouraged from continuing to serve, we could probably do a pretty good job of trying to rebuild the U.S. economy, and the conditions of life which that represents. That’s what the real solution is. That’s an approximation, but what I’m concerned about but, imagine that if Wall Street continues to become the instrument which controls the mind of the Congress, or the leading elements of the Congress, we are in real, deep trouble, or our entire population is deep trouble. Therefore, we must get rid of Obama’s ability to control the U.S. government in any respect; and we have to take steps which ensure that we will not have a collapse, of the income generation of our citizens. We have a situation of absolute desperation in the greatest part of our population! Most people don’t realize, how serious, this is. The financial conditions, the economic conditions, of people in the nation, is terrible! And it’s become worse at an accelerating rate. Now, we can, with a Franklin Roosevelt approach, we can fix that problem, despite all it represents. And I think that’s what we have to do: We have to force the United States government, the agencies of government, to realize that they have a responsibility to deal with the sins, the evil sins, that the Congress in large degree, has supported, by recklessness, by stupidity, by cupidity and so forth; all these kinds of nice evil things. And we have to protect the population of the United States, we have to protect the people of the United States, the children of the United States. We’ve got to defend our population and its ability to think, its ability to create, its ability to achieve. And we’ve got to end the regime which is typified by the names of Bush and the name of Obama. SPEED: All right, Lyn, thank you very much. I think that was quite clear. And we’re going to get to work on that, and we’ll see you next week. LAROUCHE: À bientôt!