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Report on Jacques Cheminade’s January 11 Dialogue with Montreal Contacts

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  • Here is the Audio Recording in french, of Jacques Cheminade Video-conference with the audience in Montreal.

CRC—Jacques Cheminade addressed by video-conference 22 contacts (plus members) gathered in Montreal, in an electrifying presentation in which he challenged Canadians to intervene in the international situation, notably around Helga’s Call for an Emergency Summit between Trump, Putin and Xi.

Cheminade’s presentation was a generous, extremely joyful and exciting effort to communicate the necessity for people to rise to the task of stopping the threats of an economic collapse of the trans-Atlantic region and World War, and to act in a way to reorganize international relations on a new level, a level of cooperation. Evoking what caused him to join the LaRouche movement, he reported his shock at discovering a weekend edition of the New York Times in February 1975 promoting the Club of Rome’s ugly Malthusianism: While the Nazis were directly responsible for about 30-50 million dead, these oligarchs wanted to eliminate billions and had the nerve to promote it publicly! Today’s conflict between Iran and United States, added Jacques, is an effect of that ideology and is typical of the British Empire, who rarely attack frontally but rather manipulate various parties to fight one another, while playing on the baser emotions of people (ignorance, bitterness, etc.) and acting to destroy the creative powers of mankind.

In order to respond to the present danger, people have to really understand Lyn’s ideas, he said. “It is not enough to believe that the earth is round, you have to be able to prove it.” And that is the only way, that one will be able to organize other people. Throughout his presentation, he constantly contrasted the oligarchical policy and the republican one (on international relations, education, economy, science, etc.) as a way to brief people on the strategic situation but also, and above all, as a way to elevate people, to get them to think at a higher level, where the most important element in all these fields is the protection and development of the creative power of human beings. He also stressed that the Chinese have a similar conception, that there can be a coexistence between nations based on respecting the creativity of others while working to achieve a common objective; and he used edifying stories to get some of his points across like the one about the famous wise old Muslim lady who was running around with a torch and a pot of water. To those who asked her what she was doing, she answered that the water was to extinguish the inferno, because people should not act by fear, and that the torch was to burn paradise because people should not act for a reward. They should just act for justice.

He described how our organization works at an international level with the Schiller Institute, our national political parties and our Committees of Correspondence - who are all working simultaneously for the improvement of their own nation and of the world based on this principle of human creativity. He gave concrete examples of our progress in France with his three presidential campaigns: “People are very curious about our persistence (as with Lyn in United States). They think: there must be an important reason why that guy ran three times.” It is in that context that, coming back to the strategic situation, he presented the appeal of Schiller Institute founder and President, Helga Zepp-LaRouche for an emergency summit between Trump, Putin and Xi to take the responsibility to create conditions for peace for the entire Middle-East, which implies also working to create conditions of peace and mutual development for the entire world in which the Middle-East is contained.

We have to act now, he said, because the context of the strategic crisis is the enormous financial crisis which can be perceived in the mad creation of Bitcoins, negative interest rates, repo, helicopter money, etc., where the collapse is only avoided by delaying it a little and making it worse. He added that when the collapse happens, it will paralyze economic activity and, over time, it will cause the collapse of the world population - particularly in the context of the present orientation of the financial sector toward the green economy. So we are back to the Malthusian Club of Rome and to the question, how do we stop that disaster? People have to understand the ideas of Hamilton and LaRouche on credit, physical economy, scientific and technological progress, and the role of the human mind. They have to understand that the core of the economy is human creativity which generates scientific and technological improvements, which implies an upgrade of hard infrastructures, of the educational and health care system, and also of the workforce. Again, he insisted that China is a useful model to look in this respect, stressing that what people miss about China is that it is a meritocracy. He insisted that an economy (or the world) is not a finite thing. To make his idea clear he said that a computer always beats human beings at “chess” or “go,” but when it comes to dealing with the real universe, human beings are unique because they are creative. He then explained LaRouche’s Four Laws and showed that, through the revolt in France against the government austerity policies, the population is looking increasingly into LaRouche’s proposals. For instance, some organizers of the demonstrations who decide which groups should be included or excluded - who would have thrown us out a few years ago - are now saying: “Oh you can stay, you guys are ’false fascists’!”.

So, in order to address the financial, economic and strategic crisis, Trump, Xi and Putin must meet and take the responsibility to choose policies by which peace and development will be possible for every nation. And, that depends largely on the LaRouche movement. So, people have to stop thinking small, and, in order to do that, we have to create a culture of life and discovery. Jacques then quoted from Irish patriot Daniel O’Connell: “Let me write the song of a country and, then, I care not who writes the laws.” He added that we have to develop the minds of our children by teaching them how the great scientific discoveries (Pasteur, Kepler) have been made, instead of just teaching them formulas to memorize.

He then went back to what our movement accomplished in France with his three presidential campaigns. First campaign: he was slandered as CIA, KGB, Saddam Hussein, Israel, etc. Second campaign: he was described as a lunatic with his advocacy of returning to the Moon. And now, he said, slanders don’t work anymore.

So there are revolts all around the world, and it is up to us to organize the population. Then he said in perfect Québécois dialect “N’ayez pas la chienne,” which is a more poetic way to say “Have no fear”.

Questions and answers:

There were 7 questions: One was from a young Chinese researcher from a think tank on the New Silk Road at Université du Québec à Montréal, who asked what could be the basis for cooperation between Russia, China and United States. She said that there has been some cooperation between China and United States around cybersecurity, the Paris Agreement, etc. but she was wondering what it means for the three powers. Jacques surprised everybody by answering, first, that Canada should be intervening in the world situation by freeing the Chief Financial Officer of Huawei whose jailing was just a dirty trick to split United States from China. He added that 5G is the type of thing which would be advantageous to jointly develop, as the CEO of Huawei has been saying recently. But he insisted more generally on physical infrastructure: NAWAPA, but also the possibility to have joint US-China collaboration around the development of Africa. He pointed out that the space program is one of the most crucial elements because it involves necessarily thinking about the common future of humanity - as any astronaut knows. He also stressed that China doesn’t need to steal from anybody and that discoveries should rapidly become a common benefit for mankind. He stressed that one of the problems is that, in general, China is not well known among our population. He also pointed out that United States, Western Europe, Russia and China, among others, have a common problem: their birth rates are too low to allow their nations to reproduce themselves. But, above all, he said that the most important thing we can do is to change the dynamic in the Western World into a positive one as it is in China. He also stressed that Canada is particularly well placed to influence China and Russia. A lot of food for thought.

The second question was: how secure are Bitcoins for the consumer? To which Jacques answered that the main problem with Bitcoins is that they are generally used by the financial oligarchy to take the power over monetary policy away from the nation-states.

The third question, from a teacher, was about how to promote creativity in science within the existing rules of the OECD. Jacques went through Plato’s Meno dialogue, and the necessity to teach the method of discovery in the geometrical world rather than just learning a formula like the Pythagorean theorem. He then explained that the same applies in construction in the physical world (he elaborated on the relation between the geometrical world and the physical world and also between the non-living, the living and the thinking - using some elements of the LPAC Class on Reanimating the Economy).

The fourth question was about the chances for Europe, or in particular France, to do something useful to get the Belt and Road Initiative adopted worldwide. The fifth was from a Quebec entrepreneur who asked how to make sure that people’s savings are used in the productive sector of the economy. The sixth was about the Treaty of Westphalia, asking whether, on top of asserting the advantage of the other in international relations, it also involved large infrastructure projects.

The last question was from a Vietnamese man who was clearly provoked to ask “Isn’t China a little bit imperialist too?” Look at Tibet, look at the South China Sea! Jacques answered that China knows very well about Western imperialism (Boxer Rebellion, Opium Wars, and also the fact that part of China was given to Japan after WWI etc.) So, China wants to make sure that their country is secure. In the case of Tibet, which is far from being an ideal place, China brought economic development; and although they had been involved in the destruction of temples, they later helped to rebuild many of them. Jacques stressed that China has a very developed language which incorporated cultural and historical knowledge; that it is a meritocracy. He reminded people that it has gotten 800 million people out of poverty, and, he said, those are significant things to me. Also, don’t forget that the Americans financed the terrorists in Xinjiang. He stressed that China doesn’t have a stereotyped language as the Nazis and the Fascists had. He concluded: we must look at the New Silk Road from the top; we cannot just fixate on one single point - even if it is an important point.

Some reactions:

Everybody was tremendously happy and excited: An 89 year-old priest, who spent 40 years in India, said that the conference was very rich in ideas and opened up many new perspectives to him. The Chinese researcher was beaming: “Cheminade understands China very well.” The Vietnamese man was also happy with Jacques’ response. Most people remained after the meeting for discussion (despite very alarming weather forecasts). Now we have to transform that excitement into action.